Friday, May 01, 2009

Daily Digest May 1, 2009


The DAILY DIGEST: INFORMATION and OPINION from ST. JOHN'S to VICTORIA.
ARCHIVED at http://cdndailydigest.blogspot.com/

EDITORIAL PAGEs

ST.JOHN'S TELEGRAM -
They do what, exactly?
http://www.thetelegram.com/index.cfm?sid=247373&sc=80

CORNER BROOK WESTERN STAR -
Strange phenomena?
http://www.thewesternstar.com/index.cfm?sid=247144&sc=30

CAPE BRETON POST -
Coal's obituary a bit premature
http://www.capebretonpost.com/index.cfm?sid=247208&sc=151

HALIFAX CHRONICLE HERALD -
Pope's words fall short
http://thechronicleherald.ca/Editorial/1119533.html

Ontario big dog ate C.B.'s job chow
http://thechronicleherald.ca/Opinion/1119266.html

Trade: Will U.S. notice if we look the other way?
http://thechronicleherald.ca/Opinion/1119278.html

AMHERST DAILY NEWS -
Maintaining calm during the panic
http://www.amherstdaily.com/index.cfm?sid=247191&sc=61

SAINT JOHN TELEGRAPH-JOURNAL -
New support for N.B.'s port
http://telegraphjournal.canadaeast.com/opinion/article/653265

MONTREAL GAZETTE -
Tax burden is too heavy and getting heavier
http://www.montrealgazette.com/opinion/editorials/burden+heavy+getting+heavier/1551706/story.html

OTTAWA CITIZEN -
Nortel's fate -- and our own
http://www.ottawacitizen.com/opinion/Nortel+fate/1552084/story.html
 
Bottles of waste
http://www.ottawacitizen.com/opinion/Bottles+waste/1552085/story.html

KINGSTON WHIG STANDARD-
If you torture, keep quiet about it
http://www.thewhig.com/ArticleDisplay.aspx?e=1548405

TORONTO STAR -
The auto bailout had to be done
http://www.thestar.com/Opinion/article/627031

Ignatieff has to get more specific
http://www.thestar.com/Opinion/article/626518

The Taliban in Pakistan
http://www.thestar.com/Opinion/article/626520

Canada: Innovate or stagnate 
http://www.thestar.com/Opinion/article/627004

GLOBE & MAIL -
Wanted: controlling shareholdersComment4
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20090501.weAuto01/BNStory/specialComment/home

Schools of incubation
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20090501.weFlu01/BNStory/specialComment/home

Over-tolerant police
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20090501.weTamil01/BNStory/specialComment/home

The Justice Minister and the rule of law
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20090430.weabdelrazik30art2215/BNStory/specialComment/home

NATIONAL POST -
Choices, consequences
http://www.nationalpost.com/todays-paper/story.html?id=1551312

It's Ignatieff's turn
http://www.nationalpost.com/todays-paper/story.html?id=1551313

HAMILTON SPECTATOR -
Cautious hope in flu picture
http://www.thespec.com/Opinions/article/558158

K-W RECORD -
Drinking, driving and due process  
http://news.therecord.com/Opinions/article/529782

WINDSOR STAR -
Taxpayers' burden
http://www.windsorstar.com/opinion/editorials/Taxpayers+burden/1551864/story.html

Harmonized sales tax
  http://www.windsorstar.com/opinion/editorials/Harmonized+sales/1547603/story.html

SUDBURY STAR -
Flu name symptom of rural neglect
http://www.thesudburystar.com/ArticleDisplay.aspx?e=1549097

THUNDER BAY CHRONICLE JOURNAL -
Good health starts close to home
http://www.chroniclejournal.com/stories.php?id=183021

WINNIPEG FREE PRESS -
Riding a wave
http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/opinion/editorials/editorial---riding-a-wave-44126062.html

SASKATOON STARPHOENIX -
Drinking to forget?
http://www.thestarphoenix.com/opinion/Drinking+forget/1552712/story.html
 
Time on side of Ignatieff to set policy
http://www.thestarphoenix.com/opinion/Time+side+Ignatieff+policy/1552713/story.html
 
Civil service should be left professional
http://www.thestarphoenix.com/opinion/Civil+service+should+left+professional/1548262/story.html

CALGARY HERALD -
Freedom fettered
http://www2.canada.com/calgaryherald/news/theeditorialpage/story.html?id=84479088-393a-4eff-8fe2-87e221009207

GRANDE PRAIRIE DAILY HERALD TRIBUNE -
Seniors legislation stirs emotions
http://www.dailyheraldtribune.com/ArticleDisplay.aspx?e=1549719

EDMONTON JOURNAL -
Don't reduce water checking
http://www.edmontonjournal.com/opinion/editorials/reduce+water+checking/1552919/story.html

Grits sunny in Vancouver
http://www.edmontonjournal.com/opinion/editorials/Grits+sunny+Vancouver/1552920/story.html

VANCOUVER SUN -
Resource industries still the major drivers of B.C.'s economy
http://www2.canada.com/vancouversun/news/editorial/story.html?id=021e2cf4-7042-4009-8bb5-98a9b1b33451
 
Canada's auto industry
http://www2.canada.com/vancouversun/news/editorial/story.html?id=bdd620fe-5aef-4d46-bafb-8da83ff93150

VICTORIA TIMES-COLONIST
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Straight talk on cuts overdue
http://www2.canada.com/victoriatimescolonist/news/comment/story.html?id=98cb9285-a930-4067-a65b-7fc1e37d8279

Forest land pledge welcome
Ihttp://www2.canada.com/victoriatimescolonist/news/comment/story.html?id=b67607ac-e504-42de-810a-8917947df325

Are we sliding backward as a society?
http://www2.canada.com/victoriatimescolonist/news/comment/story.html?id=3cf31fbc-e9cf-4caf-bf8a-d53d67ad656a


ISSUES

AF-PAK PROBLEM -
The myth of Talibanistan
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/KE01Df01.html

Kabul's new elite live high on West's largesse
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/kabuls-new-elite-live-high-on-wests-largesse-1677116.html


CANADIAN FORCES -
Air Force threatens to axe Snowbirds
http://www.canada.com/news/Force+threatens+Snowbirds/1555310/story.html


CANUSA/USACAN -
A case for the three amigos
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20090430.wcomexico01/BNStory/specialComment/home

U.S. issues warning on Canadian-made diet pills      
http://www.thestar.com/HealthZone/News&Features/article/627720


ECONOMIC AFFAIRS -
The Road Ahead: The drive to survive
http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=1555303

The Road Ahead: Focus turns to new auto giants
http://www.financialpost.com/news-sectors/autos/story.html?id=1554281

Canada's dysfunctional unions
http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/fullcomment/archive/2009/05/01/terry-glavin-may-day-brings-a-union-movement-that-has-lost-its-way.aspx

Agriculture producers say loan plan to help farmers is essential for industry
http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/capress/090501/national/harper_farm_loans


HEALTH CARE RELATED -
It's flu, not Ebola
http://www.winnipegsun.com/news/columnists/tom_brodbeck/2009/05/01/9310141-sun.html


JUSTICE SYSTEM -
Tougher Ontario drunk-driving laws kick off today
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20090501.wdrinking01/BNStory/National/home


MIGRATION -
Canada to open door to Afghans who helped our diplomats, military Video
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2009/04/30/canada-afghans030.html


POLITICS IN THE PROVINCES -
Sask. premier tells PM that cattle sector needs support like auto industry
http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/capress/090501/national/sask_cattle_harper

Sask. premier pitches uranium development possibilities to Stephen Harper
http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/capress/090430/national/sask_uranium_harper


FEDERAL POLITICS -
Liberals lead Tories, but Canadians prefer Harper: poll
http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=1555166

Ignatieff touts one-member, one-vote process
http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/article/627686

Ignatieff aiming to change 'culture' of the party
http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20090501/Dion_tribute_090501/20090501?hub=Canada

Ignatieff must unite Liberals to be PM, experts say
http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20090430/ignatieff_support_090501/20090501?hub=QPeriod
Goodbye political theatre and tribal drama
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20090430.wcolibs01/BNStory/specialComment/home

Harper to Liberals: don't trigger election now
http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/article/627692

British MP Galloway says he'll sue Kenney, Jewish groups for libel
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2009/05/01/galloway-libel-suit010509.html

Entente with the Bloc rife with danger
http://www.nationalpost.com/todays-paper/story.html?id=1551289

Liberals out of debt, united, 'ready to fight'
http://www.nationalpost.com/todays-paper/story.html?id=1551297

Liberals should avoid election fever
http://www.nationalpost.com/todays-paper/story.html?id=1551298

Bloc leader pitches alliance
http://www.ottawasun.com/news/canada/2009/05/01/9309661-sun.html

PM denies rumours Tories considered pact with BQ
http://www.canada.com/business/fp/denies+rumours+Tories+considered+pact+with/1555131/story.html

Conservative and NDP Fundraising Drops, While Liberals Double Up
http://punditsguide.ca/2009/04/conservative-and-ndp-fundraising-drops.php

PROGRAMMES -
Tories to overhaul foreign aid agency
http://www.nationalpost.com/todays-paper/story.html?id=1551288

Inspectors were having trouble with tasks:CFIA
http://www.nationalpost.com/todays-paper/story.html?id=1553290

Feds wasting millions on middlemen agencies, contractor says
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2009/04/29/computer-feds.html

Make it easier to receive EI, TD Bank tells federal government
http://www.ottawacitizen.com/news/todays-paper/Make+easier+receive+Bank+tells+federal+government/1552037/story.html

Veterans' watchdog laments 'failing' in new role
http://www.ottawacitizen.com/news/todays-paper/Veterans+watchdog+laments+failing+role/1552023/story.html


PRESSURE POINTS -
Wealthy nations must lead on climate change: Economist
http://www.thestar.com/business/article/627731

Blame NAFTA for swine flu, experts say   
http://www.thestar.com/HealthZone/News&Features/article/627157

OPINION AND INFORMATION -
Dogmatic political beliefs driving Conservative support away
http://www.wellandtribune.ca/ArticleDisplay.aspx?e=1549206

The real pandemic is economic, with no vaccine
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20090430.wcosalutin01/BNStory/specialComment/home

Can an auto union run an automaker?
http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/fullcomment/archive/2009/05/01/podcast-can-an-auto-union-run-an-automaker.aspx

Harper may be too pragmatic even for pragmatists
http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/fullcomment/archive/2009/05/01/john-ivison-harper-may-be-to-pragmatic-even-for-pragmatists.aspx

Money talks, and in Ottawa it's saying: No election this year
http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/fullcomment/archive/2009/05/01/money-talks-and-in-ottawa-it-s-saying-no-election-this-year.aspx

Obama is proving a dangerous man for Canada
http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/fullcomment/archive/2009/05/01/don-martin-obama-is-proving-a-dangerous-man-for-canada.aspx

Napolitano may have a point about Canada's security lapses
http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/fullcomment/archive/2009/05/01/napolitano-may-have-a-point-about-canada-s-security-lapses.aspx


INFOS -
Harper demande aux libéraux de ne pas précipiter le pays en élections
http://www.cyberpresse.ca/actualites/quebec-canada/politique-canadienne/200905/01/01-852456-harper-demande-aux-liberaux-de-ne-pas-precipiter-le-pays-en-elections.php

Ignatieff évoque la Trudeaumanie
http://www.cyberpresse.ca/actualites/quebec-canada/politique-canadienne/200905/01/01-852471-ignatieff-evoque-la-trudeaumanie.php

Ignatieff remercie Harper pour l'unité retrouvée
http://www.cyberpresse.ca/actualites/quebec-canada/politique-canadienne/200904/30/01-852070-ignatieff-remercie-harper-pour-lunite-retrouvee.php

Le Bloc propose un nouveau «plan d'aide» de 32 milliards
http://www.cyberpresse.ca/actualites/quebec-canada/politique-canadienne/200904/30/01-851930-le-bloc-propose-un-nouveau-plan-daide-de-32-milliards.php

Paul Martin accuse les conservateurs de vouloir assimiler les Autochtones
http://info.branchez-vous.com/Nationales/090501/N0501166AU.html

George Galloway entame une poursuite contre le ministre de l'Immigration
http://info.branchez-vous.com/Nationales/090501/N0501168AU.html

Un dernier contingent de Valcartier quitte pour l'Afghanistan
http://info.branchez-vous.com/Nationales/090501/N050120AU.html

51 cas au Canada
http://www.radio-canada.ca/nouvelles/National/2009/05/01/001-H1N1-Nouveau-Brunswick.shtml

La grippe A (H1N1): ce qu'il faut savoir
http://www.radio-canada.ca/nouvelles/Science-Sante/2009/04/27/001-H1N1-accueil.shtml

Harper, le sauveur du PLC?
http://www.ledevoir.com/2009/05/01/248334.html


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        This will be the last full Digest until Monday night (or Tuersday morning east of B.C.) due to family affairs.

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                  Joe

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From: The Natroses
 
Hi Joe,
To Ron: I beg to differ on your stance regarding minor children, such as what happened with the
Khadr children. Children under no circumstances should be held responsible, for the actions and decisions of their parents.  Children do not have a say, nor are they ready to make decisions for themselves on most matters that entails adult logic and reasoning. It is why God made parents, and it is up to parents (it is, I believe it is one of parents responsibilities), to make decisions on their behalf. Whether, the decisions are wise or unwise, the responsibility lies with the parents. As a parent, I have expectations for my children. I set standards, that I expect my children to meet. What I have found in the last 30 years, is the practice of allowing children as young as 6 to decide on their own, whether they want to take music lessons, sports, and so forth, is quite common. When my children complain to me that Suzie or John of other families can make their decisions on what they want to do; my response is, you will thank me when you are an adult and depending on what the topic is, I will repeat that you are not old enough to make that kind of decisions. Many conversations have occurred where my children would try to proved to me they were ready to become more independent. Children who are allow to decide on what they want to do, do not have the knowledge, the development of logic and reasoning skills to think of the long term consequences of their actions. Neither did the Khadr children who were exposed to the rigid Islamic way of life from birth. The children as for most children, have little choice but to follow the dictates and way of life, that their parents have offer.
Your argument is flaw, and if we follow it to the end, why do we have limits on ages when it comes to drinking, enlisting in the arm forces, when you can get a license to drive, when you can drop out of school, limits imposed on minors when they can have sex, child labour laws, and why go after countries that are known to have child soldiers. There is good reasons behind why we have the laws in a civil society, because children are not ready developmentally or have enough knowledge to make the decisions.
The reason why Harper has not moved to bring back Khadr is that he believes, and he is not alone, that children are solely responsible for their actions, no matter the circumstances. It is why they are pushing for laws where children who commit violent crimes, are considered adults regardless of age. They used the flip side of the argument, where you are old enough to act and take actions like an adult, you are old enough to accept adult punishment. This is no different, than Jewish or Muslim societies who believe the age of 13, a boy takes on the responsibilities of manhood. Children no matter what part of the world, is no more ready to take on responsibilities of adulthood but children are being force to without taking into account where the parent's responsibilities lie, the influenced of society, the laws of society and the values of society.
The Harper Conservatives/Reformers, would like to make laws that reflects their ideology and dogma to influence society and the norms. There is many society norms they would like to change, and a major one is family norms that we all have in common. The one thing, that the Harper conservatives have discovered, are that many of us do not share the same values, ideology or dogma as they do. My experience and for the most part, when I had a problem such as getting special education services for my child, the people who have cause me the greatest grief are the ones who hold values of the extreme right or left. Both ends of the spectrum, insists their way is the only way and there is no room for compromise. They used tactics such as changing rules mid-stream, agreeing with you, but no action from them. Or a favourite that has been used often, is to ridicule me because I am questioning their knowledge of the subject material. This always leads to righteous indignation that I should not be questioning their ways under any circumstances, since they have the proper education, knowledge and they know what is best for myself and my children. As for the Harper Conservatives, how many times have we seen in the House of Commons, how they react to opposition questioning. It is much like what I have experienced in obtaining services for my child.  They used their power and position, just like some parents who used their position in the family dynamics when a child breaks a family rule.
It matters what values are held by a person, when it is used to control and put people in their place. The Khadr children had no choice but to follow their parents' dictates.  Politicians and bureaucrats do the very same thing to society, by imposing values on people. No one group, should be imposing their values onto another group. But the group of children, should be protected since they do not have the skills or the ability to decide for themselves. Nor should they be held accountable using adult norms, since their exposure is limited to the family, with outside factors such as schools, caretakers, television, and many more that influences their take on life. It is easy to manipulate children, but it is much harder to manipulate adults into doing something, that is against their values  or moral make-up. It is why the bureaucrats/politicians uses the laws to force people to change their values.
To drive the point home, the rules and regulations of IE have change over the years. The IE program does not resemble or follow the original mandates. To be on IE today, people should be asking only for the rules that are allow. Many of the rules are the no-no rules. The latest example are one set of parents, who were on IE benefits. About a month ago or so, their  soldier son who receive massive injuries in Afghanistan, is in a Ottawa hospital. The parents check with the local IE office, to see what the rules were regarding traveling to Ottawa to take care of their son's needs. They were told, if you go, "you will loose your IE benefits. Minister Findley, intercede and assured them they will keep their benefits and go take care of your son. So the parents did just that. They have been in Ottawa looking after their son. As of today, they have been cut off and no longer qualify for IE benefits, because their son is no longer dying. This decision was based on no input from the parents nor were they informed that their benefits were being cut off, in advance. In this case, the parents who are adults, are being treated as though they are children, who have no say in what the parents dictate or order them to do. Minister Findley, acted like the grandma who forgot to check in with the parents as to what the rules are. We all know what happens in a family, where one adult allows something, where other adults have rules imposed on their children not to allow something. At the end, it is about values. The difference is, the Harper government imposes their values by force, through the use of laws and manipulation of the same laws. People are treated as though they are mere children, who need strong guidance by the political system and bureaucrats who are in charge of making sure everyone follows the rules. I see little difference between government and family dynamics, when both are exposed and can lead to, extreme authoritative practices.
Now, Ron if I have not driven my point home, why is it OK
to make an example of Khadr and
not view him as a child soldier, and at the same time view other child soldiers that hail from African countries, as different since most of them were kidnapped from their families. What is the difference between a kidnapped child being force to be a soldier and a child who is exposed to values that society on the most part do not share?  In either circumstances, both are manipulated into doing things because children are just that, children. Children are the easiest to manipulate. That is a good thing for parents, or otherwise we all be in trouble. It is when we use manipulation, through means that forces people to do things and if you do not - there is severe consequences!

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From: Rebecca Gingrich
Subject: Bottled water for the elite

I cannot understand why we , the taxpayer, have to pay for the bottled water for the government employees or anyone else for that matter.  What more indication do we, the taxpayer, need to prove that we are nothing but a font of money for our elite?  This is just ridiculous.  And today is the last day to file our taxes to keep the government in the manner to which it has become accustomned.  We are losing hospitals and everything else that is supposed to be where our tax dollars go to aid the citizens of this country.  And now we see the truth about the waste of our money?  We, the taxpayer, are supposed to drink out of dirty fountains to 'save the environment' while the elite get bottled water on our dime.  Dirty fountains are a source of contagion--wonder if that is in the pamphlets that are being handed out.
I will not get into the stupidity of the 'environmentally friendly' garbage this issue is supposed to raise.  It is the complete abandon with which our tax dollars are wasted that should be first and foremost.  Our 'protection' against swine flu is to hand out pamphlets at airports--the same idiocy that was used in the SARS scare.  How ludicrous can our governments get and still get our vote and our money?  This country is finished.  And it is our complacency that has cause our demise.
becky

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From: The Natroses

Hi Joe,  This is to Alan Heisey on his post:
"Columnist James Travers was wildly off the mark when he attacks 
Stephen Harper for having said, amongst endless comments regarding the 
economy, that it represents a "buying opportunity."
Surely your staffer recognizes that while the stock markets have 
dropped literally in half in the past 18 months they seem to have 
begun a remarkable recovery. Thus since one index's recent low, on 
March 9, of 6,547, it has recovered in six short weeks, to last 
Friday's close of 8,076, or +23.3%!
Much too early, I believe. to sneer at the prime minister for his 
suggestion on investing!"

I would only suggest, what would you do if your own financial adviser shrugs off your concerns over your falling investments, and suggested to you this represents a buying opportunity to buy stocks in companies such as GM or AbitibiBowater. It is a good thing, that some who worked in the financial industry, advised their clients to moved their investments in the safer realms at the time when it was at the 10% loss, but it was still no guarantee that there would not be more loss. I lost 14 % of value, where others lost a great deal more approaching the 30% mark. I and many others can be justified in sneering at the PM and other politicians whose salaries, pensions, are protected and have the added perks of knowing knowledge far in advance of the general public, to protect their own investments. I would never take the financial advice of any politician, especially those who claim they never seen the economic crisis coming. You had to be blind, deaf, and dumb - not to see it coming! As for the so-called recovery, would it not be the stimulus money provided by governments of the world, has played a major role in stabilizing world economies, and it may be a short term solution, that may or may not stop the free-fall of the world's economies.


Hi Again,
To "Suan H.Booiman: I agree. If my cable bill goes up, because networks wants to charge fees, I want to have the freedom of choosing my own package. Canadian stations would not be on the top of my list. In fact, I probably have only two Canadian networks and the rest would be American. As it is, I watch very little television that requires a Canadian station, and when I do, it is done out of convenience dealing with time shifting. The Canadian networks, are living in their own reality, where everyone is watching Canadian stations. I bet, they have never research to determined how many hours that a consumer is watching Canadian stations, especially during prime time hours. I am no more loyal to a Canadian network as I am to an American station. It is the programs that I am interested in, and not what channel. I believe most people are, because I have never heard tell of people being loyal to one network. What I have heard from most people, is that when they listen to the news, their interest lies at the local level, and not at the national level. That balance was lost a long time ago,  where there is little difference at the content level regarding national news among the Canadian networks.

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From: "Suan H.Booiman"
To: "The Now" <edit@thenownewspaper.com>
Cc: <Harper.S@parl.gc.ca>
Subject: Asian Associaition

April 30, 2009
 
The Editor of the Now Newspaper,
 
"South Asian Business Association comes to life".
What a sad day for Canada, how far multiculturalism has
divided this country.  Should one draw the conclusion that
these people desire to live in isolation and not want to be a
part of the Canadian community or does it show that non
or many of them can not speak English. What better way
than seeking economic growth in a united way as
Canadians among Canadians. Obvious they carry forward
the Liberal dream Divided we stand, United we fall,
Trudeau's vision of the Country.
 
Suan H.Booiman
White Rock

Subject: The Town of Halton Hills

Even though I am a strong supporter of Free Trade have no
objection to such actions as suggested by Hilton Hills.
 
Suan

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From: Rebecca Gingrich
Subject: taxpayer 'buys' some of Chrysler

I understand that we Canadians now 'own' a part of Chrysler.  Brings back memories of how we 'owned' PetroCanada.  That worked out well for us, didn't it?  We didn't get a break on gas prices and nothing was returned to the taxpayer when it was sold.  I guess that means we weren't the CEO's???
Becky

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From: "Andrew Rutherford" 

Are we not in the same position, where departure from principle in one stance becomes a precedent for a second, that second for a third, and so on, until the bulk of society is reduced to being slaves to governments and corporations, where everything you do, everything you think is subject to the dictates of governments and corporations.


Thomas Jefferson - a founding father of America - his warning is just as valid, as it was in his times.
The Prophesy of Thomas Jefferson - Future Slavery Of The People

"If we run into such debts as that must be taxed in our meat and in our drink, in our necessaries and our comforts, in our labors and our amusements, for our callings and creeds, as the people of England are, our people, like them, must labor sixteen hours in the twenty- four, and give the earnings of fifteen of these to the government for their debts and daily expenses;

And the sixteenth [hour of labor] being insufficient to afford us bread, we must live, as they do now, on oatmeal and potatoes, have no time to think, no means of calling the mismanagers to account; but be glad to obtain [be satisfied with] subsistence by hiring ourselves to rivet [being goons for our oppressors by securing] their chains around the necks of our fellow sufferers;

And this is the tendency of all human governments. A departure from principle in one instance becomes a precedent for a second, that second for a third, and so on 'till the bulk of society is reduced to be mere automatons of misery, to have no sensibilities left but for sinning and suffering… And the forehorse of this frightful team is public debt. Taxation follows that, and in its train, wretchedness and oppression."
~ Thomas Jefferson (1743 - 1826) USA Founding Father and President of the USA"

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