Saturday, February 21, 2009



From: alan heisey <>
Subject: Re: Daily Digest February 17, 2009

On 2009 Feb17, at 13:04, Joe Hueglin wrote:
Simply put, do you agree or disagree with this statement concerning the Conservative Party of Canada
"We are now pretty well where we were before the merger, minus of course the Reform/Canadian Alliance."

j, a very unconstructive question. my answer is that there are really 
only two political parties in canada, the ins and the outs. for many 
politicos this is too simple, but i like it because either one 
supports the government or opposes it. the opposition benches are 
where one finds the nuances in political parties, all competing to win 
the public confidence. but the tories have it, the grits oppose well, 
both parties are centrist, and when one goes out the biggest changes 
are in the governing teams, not the principles. or do some prefer 
nationalizing steel, and denationalizing steel, etc as the brits did 
so stupidly for so long/1 cz


Thank you cz for responding to the question posed.

You see "the ins and the outs" as being both "centrist". And
when "when one goes out the biggest changes  are in the
governing teams, not the principles."

My view is the Conservative Party of Canada is not centrist
- and that this is so in more than one way.

Having earlier in a response to Ron said I would make the case
and not having had time to do so I'm going to cease and desist
- aside from inviting others to express views on your positioning.

I may be alone, however, in seeing matters differently than you
in which case no debate at present.

From: John Halonen

A Tale of Two Governments

The US direction is to one ruled by the people. The bailout is one of give it to the people, business has had enough.

The Canadian direction is the opposite.  Let business set the direction, and sell off Canadian assets!

Only time will tell us who is right, but we could not have a better chance to review our future compared to others.

John Halonen

From: Caspar Davis

Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 11:35:58 -0800
Subject: Re: Will "far-reaching amendments" in the Budget Act be passed "with limited, if any, meaningful debate."

Hi Joe,

This is but one flaw in a head-in-the-sand budget that also virtually ignores both the economic situation and global warming. Both Ignatieff and Harper prefer to fiddle the tunes of the corporate establishment that have gotten us where we are rather than show any leadership while the planet comes to both a figurative and literal boil...


Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 15:26:05 -0800

At 10:00 AM 2/17/2009, you wrote:
"You see Education is Linear, in other words anyone ? can learn enough to excel in a certain endeavour, make a living, become rich, but otherwise clueless."

What that means to me is that higher education (like much else) has been shaped by reductionism to the point that it should really be called "training" rather than education.

Even our universities - let alone our community colleges - no longer make any pretense of producing broadly educated people who have some grasp of history, philosophy and the arts. They are mostly just training people to do particuilar jobs.

Gandhi's 7 Social Sins describe almost every aspect of our society all too clearly. Those I have italicized are directly related to the system of education; the others are also related, indirectly:

Politics without Principle;
Wealth without Work;
Commerce without Morality;
Pleasure without Conscience;
Education without Character;
Science without Humanity;
Worship without Sacrifice

Caspar Davis

From: "Brian D. Marlatt"
Subject: Peace Arch News - Aussies need our help

From: "Suan H.Booiman"
Subject: Wolfe

February 17, 2009
According to Global News there will be no re-enactment
of the General Wolfe British victory over the French.
                              250 year celebration
The National Committee said it was called off out of fear
of violence. This does really question "who owns the country?"
THE SEPARATISTS of course funded by Ottawa. 400 million
for Quebec City, tax dollars for Duceppe and his crew.
Makes one wonder where are the Members of Parliament
standing up for the CANADA. Hiding behind the Quebec Flag.
Welcome to a democracy.
Suan H.Booiman
White Rock BC

From: Larry Kazdan
Subject: Re: Britain and France admit nuclear subs collided, Feb 16

his month armed British and French nuclear subs collided - said to be a one in a million incident.  Of course, if we keep rolling the dice long enough, accidents should be expected.  In addition to the estimated 26,000 nuclear weapons still operational, we may soon find these weapons also deployed in space where American and Russian satellites also recently smashed together.  How many more warning shots will we get?   The world needs better political and judicial means of settling conflicts.  For example, we could have a World Court with mandatory jurisdiction for states, and we could have a Parliamentary Assembly at the UN that helps build trust among peoples to enable gradual disarmament.   Of course, some may feel this path is also a gamble.  But isn't developing human co-operation a better bet than chancing human destruction via nuclear catastrophe?

Larry Kazdan , Vice-President,
World Federalist Movement Canada – Vancouver Branch
Vancouver, B.C.

From: Stephen M MacLean
Subject: FYI: Profile of Phillip Blond­'Red Tory' promoter­by Jonathan Derbyshire

"It's very clear we're in the middle of a paradigm shift," he says. "We are witnessing the end of the neoliberal project - just as 30 years ago we saw the end of Keynesianism. We're in a shift of comparable proportions. The interesting question is what comes next."

From: "Efstratios Psarianos"

Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009
4:59:00 +0000
Environmentalists welcome waste-water standards but criticize timeline

Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 22:38:00 +0000
Compensation for AbitibiBowater $300M
Dum .. dum DUM dum ....

Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 18:10:00 +0000
Subject: Bernie Madoff redux ... He's but the first among others

Shocking allegations against Stanford Group, so soon after the arrest of Bernard Madoff, suggest this will be a fraud-infested downturn
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 4:01:00 +0000

Y'know what, Joe? It's finally occurred to me that we can make some serious coin, you and me, as a web-based Canadian political-comedy team. You'd be the straight man who'd set up the scene, and I'd set the place on fire with my scorching commentary. What say ... think it might work?
P.S. I mean, if guys like Bourque can make a living off 'he said, she said', I think we can both make our careers out of this. Plus, we'd be performing a public service: politicians, governments, and media would have to raise their game to survive our onslaught.
From: "Brad Thomson"
Subject: RE: The Visitation BELOW 30


There is one thing about Barack Obama that I find quite troubling. He refers to himself as African-American, Colin Powell refers to him as African-American, EVERYONE, including the media refer to him as African-American.

But he is not, at least not completely. His mother was caucasian. Obama is of mixed race.

One must suppose that the reason for the false recognition of his genetics is the fact that in America it has always been the case that if you have any African blood at all, you are African. And the reason for this, of course, is America's racist past. And, evidently, its continued racist present.

It would have been wonderful, to be sure, to see America elect a President of purely African descent. But would it not have been even more wonderful to see America elect a person of mixed race? Would this not have been an even greater refutation of racism than simply electing a person of purely African descent?

The fact that Obama himself perpetuates this myth, this lie, is especially troublesome to me. What else is he, and will he lie about if he is so willing to degrade himself in a racist manner and accept everyone else doing it as well?

Would it not have been better if Obama had said, look, in America up until now it has always been the case that if a person has any African blood they are considered African, this racist stereotype must stop, I am of mixed race?

Years ago the media made a huge fuss about the best golfer in the world being of African descent. That is, until Tiger Woods made it clear to the media that he was of mixed race.

When a society is willing to accept and continue with such an outrageous lie, and when a society has a President who is willing to accept and continue with such an outrageous lie, one must be very wary about what it will do next. I am sure it will not be long before we find out.

Please do not call me a racist. The racists are those who refer to Obama as African-American, rather than what he truly is. And this includes the President of the United States himself.

Brad Thomson

From: Real Gagne
Subject: Re: The Visitation


I've had it up to here with Obama mania.


From: "Eduard Hiebert "
Subject: CommonDreams  Obama's Tar Sand Trap -  Rhetoric and Reality Clash on Obama's First Foreign Visit

3 articles fyi with the first two containing some powerful reader commentaries including how much Harper has folded.
Rhetoric and Reality Clash on Obama's First Foreign Visit

James Hansen | Obama's Tar Sand Trap

Jane Mayer | The Hard Cases

Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 16:55:01 -0600

Hi Joe,
In the following US based news digest, fyi I have marked 4 US stories with direct impact/implications for Canada with xxx and xx respectively for an easy find.
xx Afghanistan Escalation Proves 'Madness of Militarism'

xx Desmond Tutu Urges Obama to Apologize for Iraq Invasion

xx Buildup of US Troops in Afghanistan May Be Just the Start

xxx George Monbiot | I Hope Obama Jumps the Right Way on Canada's Tar Sands

From: "Jacob Rempel"
Subject: Obama's 'Seven Days in May' Moment -- By Robert Parry

Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 01:08:59 -0800
From: Charles Tupper
Subject: Fwd: Inside the Doomsday Seed Vault

"Does anyone else find it interesting that this Global Seed Bank contains pure, non-GMO seeds just in case there is a catastrophic event that would require re-seeding the entire planet?  Meanwhile, back at the ranch, Monsanto and our Federal Government are working tirelessly to infect the entire planet with Genetically Modified Organisms (GMO), while at the same time making sure that the average Joe is unable to save his own seeds through a combination of Terminator seed technology and Gestapo-like practices, and is forced to propagate the very GMO scourge that the Doomsday Seed Vault is built to address."  - Barbara Peterson

Inside the Doomsday Seed Vault

Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 02:01:04 -0800
Subject: Conspiracy Theorists

Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2009 11:20:14 -0800
Subject: The New Book Banning
Children's books burn, courtesy of the federal government.

From: "Rebecca Gingrich"

Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 09:21:54 -0500
Subject:  Glitch?

This is getting more ridiculous with each passing day.  Don't pay attention
to reality, just listen to the 'experts'?????  We will be paying billions of
dollars for this farcical GW fiasco?

Arctic Sea Ice Underestimated for Weeks Due to Faulty Sensor

Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 07:52:14
Democracy = Socialism, i.e. Communism (The Perestroika Deception)

Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 09:37:00 -0500
Subject: RE: [On-Guard] The Visitation

Joe--I love the title you chose--'the visitation'!  Or would it be the
'second coming'?  It makes me so angry to see our PM and so many people
being captured by the pomp and circumstance of this  hollywood production.
It cost us millions to have these two puppets stroking each other.  They
have agreed to fight GW--something Harper, in Opposition, said was a farce
and a wealth transfer.  Has the heat gotten to him?
I am sorry--I cant read, watch or listen to anything pertaining to this
production.  I jsut hope all Canadians are ready for the NAU.  Because that
is what this is all about.  And our media played the game so well.

Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 07:35:11 -0500
Subject: [On-Guard] Small farming controlled by Obama?

This is what Obama, Harper's buddy, wants for the US. This will be the end
of small farming as we know it. We know the Liberals already bent over for
Monsanto bills being rushed through Congress, set to destroy organic farming.

Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 21:47:18 -0500
Subject:Unemployment in the US

This is how the count the unemployed in the US.  Wish I could find out how
they do it in Canada.
We paid $400./minute for Obama's visit, watched Harper bow and scrape and
this is the hollow shell that Obama 'leads'?  Canadians are on their own.

The Washington Morons
Driving Over the Cliff

Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 07:57:18 -0500
Subject: Bus ads
We are told that 'Muslims hate our way of life" but they are the only ones
defending it?

The Islamic Supreme Council of Canada plans to run pro-God ads on city buses proving freedom of speech is alive and well

Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 07:59:27 -0500
Subject: [On-Guard] What a concept in a democracy!

Alberta minister wants our human rights commission to get back to fighting for real freedoms ...
hope he doesn't hurt anyone's feelings

Freedom of speech? What a concept. Glad it's coming back.