Monday, October 08, 2007

A QUESTION ASKED: "Would Harper stoop that low?"



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        Every once in a while I indulge myself and spend some time on the Free Dominion http://www.freedominion.ca/phpBB2/portal.php website.
        
        A 10:49 "In total there are 95 users online :: 8 Registered, 1 Hidden and 86 Guests" Guests generally far outnumber registered users at any
        given time as you can check here http://www.freedominion.ca/phpBB2/viewonline.php so don't hesitate to visit.
        
        Glenn Harewood's being the the only response to the question raised on
Subject: Un discours du Trône en soirée/A Throne Speech in the evening
        a post was put up on Free Dominion in hopes of stimulating opinion being expressed: A QUESTION ASKED: "Would Harper stoop that low?"
        
        As is not unusual there was shapeshifting as discussion proceeded.

        At  http://www.freedominion.ca/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=1068631#1068631 and below are the last two posts at time this is being sent. 
        Sometimes there are rebuttals to the contrarian views I express at others they are ignored and the thread ends.

        You are invited to follow what may or may develop on Free Dominion and to express agreement or disagreement through expressing your
        thoughts on the Digest.
        
        This is posted in part in an effort to stimulate some activity in BELOW (30).

         Subject: Daily Digest October 7-8, 2007.will follow sometime later to-day.

                  Joe
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blackdog wrote: http://www.freedominion.ca/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=1068631#1068631

The Liberals have used the Scary and the Hidden Agenda card to keep the CPC in a minority government. Harper has, as Prime Minister, eliminated these cards from the Liberal deck.

EXCEPT AMONG SUPPORTERS OF THE WHEAT BOARD, THOSE IN THE SOFTWOOD LUMBER INDUSTRY,LAID OFF OR JOB LESS MANUFACTURING WORKERS (SORRY NOT ALL, SOME HAVE McDONALD JOBS), THOSE WHO BELIEVE IN A FEDERAL GOVERNMENT SERVING THE INTERESTS OF ALL CANASIANS)

The polls, which in past elections have been reliable in pushing the Liberal agenda, will not work in this election because Harper has convinced the voters that he is a middle of the road traditional Canadian Prime Minister.

THE New Government of Canada IS NEW. IT ACCEPTS FOR THE FIRST TIME EVER PROVINCES ENGAGING DIRECTLY IN FOREIGN RELATIONS ON THE ONE HAND AND A SELF-DENYING ORDINANCE IN SPENDING. ELEMENTS OF AN AGENDA THAT WILL BE RAISED AS ANYTHING BUT THOSE OF A "traditional Canadian Prime Minister"

Chretien was a tough street fighter and earned the grudging respect of the people. Harper has earned the same type of respect. He has stood his ground and provided leadership, the qualities Canadians look for in leaders.

YUP. KEPT HIS WORD CONCERNING FIGHTING FOR THE SOFTWOOD LUMBER INDUSTRY THROUGH THE COURTS AND NAFTA PANELS ... AND EQUALIZATION TO N.S., NL AND SASKATCHEWAN. OOPS, ALMOST FOR GOT LAST YEARS HALLOWEEN GIFT TO INCOME TRUST OWNING RETIREES)

Martin started out looking strong and competent but gradually turned into a doddering old fool in the eyes of the voter. Dion on the other hand looks weak and indecisive. Dion looks weaker than Martin and talks with an accent that makes him sound effeminate. FIRST I HEARD OF THIS ONE

Everybody except for a few diehards knows that the PMO runs the country.

GOOD THAT THEY KNOW ITS A FEW PERSON SHOW (GOTTA INCLUDE SANDRA)

The voters understand this and as a result they vote for the leader. (LE CHEF EL CAUDILLO, IL DUCE)

This election, when it comes, will be a grand sweep for Harper. (HOW MANY SEATS IN DANNY LAND)

It has happened before and it is a feature of Canadian politics. The only reason it didn't happen last time was because of the scary and hidden agenda labelling. That is gone (SO WAS LAZARUS) and the delayed seat sweep will occur this time.

People will look at Harper then at Dion. There is no reason for them to pick Dion
.(THERE ARE THOSE WHO VOTE AGAINST NOT FOR, Y'KNOW ??/10)

The economy is strong and there are no major issues of concern to the voters.

WHAT'S THE NAME OF THAT COUNTRY BORDERED BY CHINA, INDIA, PAKISTAN, IRAN, TURKMENISTAN, UZBEKISTAN AND TAJIKISTAN?

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From: "Mahmood Elahi"
To: "Letters to the Editor" <lettertoed@thestar.ca>
Cc: "Travers, Jim"

 
The Editor
The Toronto Star
 
Copy to: Mr. James Travers, Columnist for The Toronto Star: You again fail to realize that majority government is beyond the reach of Mr. Harper as he cannot sweep Ontario which helped Mr. Chretien to win three majority governments. Even Mr. Chretien can no longer replicate his earlier performances. The political dynamics has changed. Mr. Chretien won almost all of Ontario's 103 seats by stoking up the fear of an ultra-rightwing Reform/CA takeover. Being a right-winger himself, Mr. Haper cannot stoke up such fears. And because Ontario no longer fears any right-wing takeover, Mr. Dion cannot sweep it either.
 
Harper must realize a majority government is beyond his reach
 
Re: "PM sees an opportunity for easy majority win," by James Travers (Oct. 6).
 
James travers has written another highly contrived article which misses the entire point. He fails to realize that with a diverse electorate and four parties -- the Liberal, the Conservative, the NDP and the Green -- competing for votes, no party can sweep Ontario which earlier allowed Jean Chretein to win three majority governments.
 
Prime Minister Stephen Harper seems to be trying to provoke the opposition parties to topple his government so that he can go to the polls and win a majority government. But he must realize that a majority government is beyond the reach of any party.
 
The most unanswered question of 2006 federal election is: Why, despite the Liberal sponsorship scandals and then Prime Minister Paul Martin's most inept campaign and Conservative leader Stephen Harper's solid performance and his making a "breakthrough" in Quebec, the Conservatives won such a weak minority? The answer is because they failed to sweep Canada's most populous and urbanized province of Ontario. Former Prime Minister Jean Chretien won three back-to-back majorities by winning 100 of Ontario's 103 seats. When his successor Paul Martin lost 25 seats in 2004, he formed a minority government and when he lost 50 seats in 2006, he lost the election.
 
Ontarians are unlikely to put all their votes in the same basket and although the Liberals enjoy a slight lead in the province, they cannot win the election because of lack of support in the West and the Conservatives cannot form a majority government without sweeping Ontario. Moreover, most voters have come to realize that a majority government lead to monopolization of all powers in a single party and they don't trust the politcians to have total control over all levers of power. As Lord Acton famously remarked: "Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely."  Although a member of now-defunct Progressive Conservative party, I voted for the NDP in the last election, because I didn't want Mr. Harper to win a majority. In the next election, I will vote for the Green Party, not because it can win the election, but because it can put enough pressure on a minority government on environmental issues.
 
We have minority governments in Ottawa and Quebec and when this letter is published we will have a minority government at Queen's Park. The days of majority government are over. Prime Minister Stephen Harper should give up his elusive search for a majority and try to govern in consultation with other parties.
 
MAHMOOD ELAHI
2240 Iris Street, Ottawa



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